Mogeely Parish in the 1641 Depositions
Niall C.E.J. O’Brien
In October 1641 a rebellion began in Ulster principally led by Irish Catholics against their British Protestant neighbours who had settled in Ulster over the previous forty years, acquiring the best land and building English towns. A second part of the rebellion was to capture Dublin Castle but this failed. Over the winter and spring of 1641-42 the rebellion spread across Ireland until the summer of 1642 when the unrest settled down. By that time most of Ireland was in the hands of Irish rebels with five pockets of the country held by the British Protestants. These areas were north and east Ulster; Dublin and the surrounding along the coast to Drogheda; east Galway; the area around Birr in Offaly and southern Munster. The area of southern Munster was bounded on the east and north by the River Blackwater as far as Mallow and then an imagery line south to Bandon and on to Kinsale. There were a few isolated pockets north of the Blackwater around Mitchelstown and Doneraile.
During the 1630s tensions were building in Ireland as the New English were pushing out the Irish and Old English (medieval English settlers) with King Charles promising redress but only with words and not actions. New English settlers were also trying to prevent government interference in their new estates such as against that £20,000 tax on plantation towns like Baltimore, Bandon, Tallow, Dungarvan and other towns to fund the Irish army.[1] Tensions were also building between King Charles and the English Parliament over who controlled taxation and the nature of religion. The religious question also created tensions between Anglican Protestant church and state of England with Presbyterian Scotland. The first engagement of the civil war that engulfed Ireland and Britain in the 1640s began in Scotland in 1639-40. King Charles lost the war and the English Parliament disarmed the Irish army to prevent Lord Wentworth (Lord Deputy of Ireland) from bringing the mostly Catholic Irish army into England where it could be used not only against the Scots but against the English parliament. With the Irish army and many New English settlers disarmed the Irish took the opportunity of rebellion in 1641 to get concessions just as the Scots had successfully achieved by war in 1639-40.
In the summer of 1642 when the country had settled, the Irish government organised the collection of depositions from New English settlers who had suffered losses in the unrest. The depositions were to get a value on the losses son that some compensation could be arranged. The depositions were also to help identify Irish rebels who had caused much of the damage so they could be punished. In the 1641 depositions nine people from the united parish of Mogeely/Templevalley claimed losses due to the rebellion. Four of the people lived in the area of what was the old medieval parish of Mogeely while the other five lived in Templevalley parish. One person, John Rowe from Templevalley, filed two depositions for damages. Another individual, Samual Blancher of Garranjames is given in published sources as being from Mogeely parish.[2] But when you examine his file it refers instead to Mogeely parish in the barony of Imokilly and not this one in Kinnatalloon.[3] The Mogeely part of the parish appears to have been a mixture of livestock and tillage farming. Most of the Mogeely depositions were made at Cork in the summer of 1642 in the presence of Thomas Elwell, sovereign of Tallow in 1621-22 and elected in 1634 as one of the two MP’s to represent the borough in the Dublin Parliament.
In mid November 1641 Sir Richard Boyle had an armed force at Lismore and gave military supplies to Sir William Fenton at Mitchelstown.[4] By Christmas 1641 Sir Richard Boyle had fortified Bandon, Youghal and Lismore against the rebels. Some English settlers had retreated from the countryside to local medieval castles.[5] But many settlers fled to the towns of Youghal, Lismore, Tallow and Cork. On 5th January 1642 commission of martial law were issued by the Lord President of Munster to Lord Dungarvan for Youghal. Another commission was issued to Ensign Hugh Croker and Sir Richard Osborne for the Cappoquin/Dungarvan area.[6] On 16th January 1642 Ensign Croker was allowed to raise a foot company.[7]
On 25th February 1642, having taken most of County Waterford, the rebels bombarded Youghal from the Ferrypoint on the Waterford side.[8] In early March Sir Charles Vavasour landed at Youghal with a regiment of foot which restored the military balance in the area in favour of the English. Also in March the Lord President of Munster marched from Cork to Tallow and onto Dungarvan without meeting any of Sir Richard Butler’s force (a rebel) on the march.[9] A number of the Mogeely depositions said they were robbed in February and March 1642. The violence would appear to be of a local nature by it causing a decline in law and order or responding to the decline. The depositions below will record the story of British Protestant settlers robbed, so to speak, by rogue Catholic Irish.
Yet the English settlers were not all innocent victims. English tenants and soldiers from Camphire castle robbed and stripped naked many poor Irish tenants between Camphire and Kilnecarnygy (Kilnacarriga). The robbed an honest Irish neighbour, Darby Farrell, of 17 garrans, 21 cows, along with all his sheep, pigs, wine and household materials. Twice they stripped him of all his clothes such that he arrived at Lismore castle seeking refuge covered with a borrowed sheet. On 2nd March 1642, after a troop of government soldiers had passed through the area, English settlers sallied forth from the castle of Kilmacow and Lisfinny to attack Irish tenants. One of their victims was James Roche from whom they took sheep and pigs. Later they took plough horses belonging to John O Crotty, a ploughman for the Protestant dean of Lismore. The dean, Robert Naylor, was a cousin of Sir Richard Boyle, 1st Earl of Cork, and principal landlord of west Waterford and east Cork. Robert Naylor went to Camphire, Lisfinny and Kilmacow and recovered only some of the stolen animals. In fear of more such actions many Irish tenants drove their animals over the Blackwater into Irish controlled areas and the ploughs of the region were left idle. Robert Naylor said this whole unrest will cause difficulties for people to pay their rents and result in famine.[10]
In the early summer the English forces began to recover ground from the Irish rebels. On 10th May 1642 Lord Dungarvan and the Earl of Barrymore captured Ballymacpatrick (Careysville) castle from Richard Condon. In July Lord Broghill won the battle of Cappoquin against the Irish. Soon after Lord Barrymore crossed over the Blackwater and took Clogleigh castle near Kilworth, the chief castle of the Condon family.[11] By the end of 1642 the English held an area bounded on the east and north by the River Blackwater as far west as Mallow and from there a line south to Bandon and Kinsale. North of the river the English held Mitchelstown, Doneraile and a few places in between. Beyond this area much of the rest of Munster was held by the Irish forces. Elizabeth Danvers, formerly pine of Mogeely, was forced out of her farm in County Kilkenny in 1642 and first sought refuge in Waterford city before resettling to Mogeely towards the end of 1642 when Waterford came under Irish control. For two years Elizabeth Danvers lived at Mogeely Castle with others refugees seemingly at peace until 1645.[12] The frontline held until early 1645 when Irish forces moved in to garrison Barryscourt castle near Carrigtwohill and deep inside the English area. These were defeated by Lord Inchiquin. But Lord Castlehaven led the Irish forces to the walls of Youghal by April. Without any heavy siege equipment they moved off to take Cappoquin. In May 1645 Lord Castlehaven took Mitchelstown and crossed the Blackwater at Fermoy. Although the English won a battle near Castlelyons the weight of the Irish army compelled the English to retreat.[13] Conna castle was taken in mid June 1645 with many of the garrison killed or hanged. Mogeely castle withstood a short siege of two days but then surrendered on 20th May. The Mogeely garrison was offered quarter to leave for Youghal with their women and baggage. But upon coming out this quarter was not given and the garrison was stripped and their baggage taken.[14] As captives they were paraded before Lismore and Youghal to force the surrender of those places. Lismore fell as did all the castles up to the walls of Youghal. But the town held out against a three month siege until a relief force arrived.[15] Castlehaven then withdrew north and the English gradually retook all the lost ground.
In 1647 the English advanced beyond their area of control to take Cashel and win the battle of Knocknanuss in Duhallow. In 1649 Oliver Cromwell advanced from Waterford to take Dungarvan, Youghal and Cork along with the castles on the Bride and Blackwater for the English Parliament. Small groups of Irish forces held out until 1653 when defeated in the Cork and Kerry region. Up until 1649 the English of east Cork and west Waterford had, at various times, supported King Charles and the English Parliament in the English civil war. But they kept their differences to themselves as they united against the common enemy of the Irish rebel armies.
Mogeely residents
Walter Croker
Most of the people who suffered losses in the parish of Mogeely/Templevalley during the civil unrest in the period from October 1641 to March 1642 filed claims for compensation on amounts under £100 with one notable exception, that of Walter Croker of Curraglass. On 12th August 1642 Lieutenant Walter Croker late of Curraglass, a gentleman and British Protestant, claimed that he was robbed of goods worth £616 16s (revised to £685 16s) in early March 1642 and at other times. Walter Croker lost £5 on the value of one cow and one horse along with goods and household stuff to the value of £6 13s. His main losses were due to the fact that he had to leave Curraglass and live elsewhere. Thus he lost £76 due out of his Curraglass lands. The farm at Curraglass measured half a ploughland and was a parcel of the manor of Mogeely castle. Walter Croker had another twenty seven years to run on his lease of the farm (valued at £65) which was worth £9 a year above the landlord’s rent. The destruction of his houses, orchards, gardens and fences at Curraglass were valued at £40.[16] The dwelling house existed before 1614 and was possibly located on or near Lisnabrin House or Lisnabrin Lodge. Later developments in both places make it difficult to say exactly where the 1642 house was without an archaeological dig. Lisnabrin House (built circa 1730), with its original entrance connected to the public road by a straight avenue east from the front door, appears to mark the site of Walter Croker’s new house built after 1653 when the war ended.
On 18th February 1588 Edward Leachland, a merchant, was granted 400 acres of Templevalley and Curraglass by Sir Walter Raleigh.[17] On 26th September 1594 Laurence Longland (otherwise Leachland) made a lease to Walter Coppinger of Lisnabrin. On 28th April 1596 William Lee made a lease of Curraglass to Walter Coppinger. On 8th June 1614 Sir Richard Boyle made a lease of Curraglass and Lisnabrin to Walter Coppinger. This included dwelling house, garden, watermill, orchard and farmland. On 29th August 1631 Sir Richard Boyle made a lease to Walter Croker of part of Mogeely for 31 years.[18] Walter Croker was the son of Hugh Croker and Elizabeth Coppinger, daughter of Walter Coppinger. On 1st March 1633 Richard Boyle had made a lease of Curraglass West and Lisnabrin to Walter Coppinger for 4,960 years with reminder to the heirs of Walter Coppinger.[19] This lease contained a provision for Walter Croker to retain title to the Curraglass farm even if it was occupied by other during rebellion or laid waste.[20] Walter Croker didn’t mention this lease as the lease made him effective owner of the Curraglass farm and so liable for his own losses. By mentioning only the 1631 lease Walter Croker was regarded as an ordinary tenant and so in line for government compensation.
In the deposition of August 1642 Walter Croker was also dispossessed of his farm at Modeligo which was worth £77 13s 6d above the landlord’s rent. This farm was leased for three lives and was valued at £569. At the end of his claim Walter Croker said he was robbed by persons unknown.[21]
After making his claim for damages an account was added concerning the attack on Cappoquin in later April 1642. In this it was said that the deponent said that about 1 o’clock in the morning several hundred men attacked Cappoquin in a warlike and hostile manner. The accused rebels were led by Edmond Fennell from Carrig, County of Tipperary, John Sherlock Fitz Patrick of Mothill, County of Waterford, Esquire, Thomas McDonell McCragh of Curraghnesledy, County of Waterford gentleman, and Thomas Mc Morris Fitzgerald of the parish of Ringagonagh, ensign. The rebels burnt fifteen houses in the town and killed many of the town’s men, women & children including Richard Lowden, glover, Nicholas Wale, broge maker, Agnis Sugar, spinster, Erine Sugar, spinster, Thomasie Saunders, spinster, Elizabeth Saunders (wife to Robert Saunders, mercer), Margaret Nance (wife of Henry Nance, tailor), Alsis Browne (wife of Zacharias Browne), Mary Groute, spinster and Alsis Hill, widow. Then Walter Croker said he knew of no further atrocities but this line was crossed out by the authorities.[22] It is not clear if Walter Croker personally known about the Cappoquin attack, or if the account was inserted by others. Walter’s cousin, Hugh Croker, was commander of the English garrison at Cappoquin and may have supplied the information.[23]
John Andrews
John Andrews of Curraglass, yeoman, said he lost goods and chattels to the value of £107 19s 6d between October 1641 and 10th February 1642 including debts owed to him by several people who had gone into rebellion. This amount included £17 in lost cows, heifers and horses and a further £20 for lost hay, corn and wood. John Andrews said he was robbed by Richard Condon of Ballymacpatrick (modern Careysville) and Richard Condon of Ballydorgan along with their followers. The debts of £70 9s 6d were owed by five people. Three of the debtors were husbandmen from Mogeely parish, viz.: Murtogh O Madden, George Nagle and James Inchin. The fourth debtor was Morrish Condon of Kilbarry in Knockmourne parish. The fifth debtor was Teige McGrath from Illtown in Brittas parish, County Limerick.[24]
In times of war and a breakdown in civil authority it is sometimes difficult to collect debts while others perhaps take advantage of not paying their debts. The three debtors from Mogeely parish possibly lived there but the two other debtors present a problem. If John Andrews was to recover his debts it would be good to know where your debtors are living. Morrish Condon was said to live at Kilbarry in Knockmourne parish but Kilbarry was not in that parish in the 17th century but further west in Clondulane parish.[25] In the 19th century Kilbarry was in the civil parish of Castlelyons.[26] Kilbarry was not mention in the Down Survey and David Condon was living there in 1659.[27] Thus it would appear the debt to John Andrews did not have serious consequences for the Condon family. Yet by naming Morrish Condon as a debtor to a British Protestant it condemned him to be declared an outlaw as recorded in 1663 in the Court of Claim where Morrish Boy Condon of Kilbarry was an outlaw.[28] It would seem that Morrish Condon did live in Kilbarry but that John Andrews didn’t known which parish the townland was situated in.
Elsewhere we are informed that Sir Walter Raleigh was granted Kilbarry as part of his 42,000 acre Irish estate in 1586. The plantation charter to Raleigh allowed him to acquire part of the Condon estates of east Cork if the former Earl of Desmond lands in Waterford and Cork were insufficient to make up the 42,000 acres. At some unknown date Sir Walter Raleigh granted a lease of 61 years on Kilbarry to Edmond Condon, the previous owners and father of Morrish Condon. In October 1630 Sir Richard Boyle instructed his agent Mr. Walley to distain seven parts of Kilbarry held by Morrish Condon and grant it to William McEdmond Condon. In return William Condon gave Boyle the lands held by Morrish Condon at Ballynehawe, Coole, Kilvallag and Fynoge. Sometime before 1630 Morrish Condon had succeeded his father at Kilbarry but refused to pay the rent to Boyle, who took him to court in the Minster Presidency. The deal with William Condon was to settle the law suit.[29] It seems that Morrish Condon was not good at repaying his debts or considered the New English settlers to be upstarts and he was still lord of his estates. Yet in November 1630 Boyle made a new lease with Morrish Condon for Kilbarry of 41 years.[30]
Teige McGrath of Illtown, in Brittas parish in County Limerick, is another person with a non valid address. In the first place there is no parish in County Limerick called Brittas. There was a place called Brittas in Caherconlish parish in the barony of Clanwilliam but no place called Illtown in that parish. Thomas Bourke, Baron Brittas, was the owner of much of Caherconlish parish in 1641 and there may have been a tenant called McGrath under him but was not recorded.[31] In 1659 there was no McGrath family members listed as living in Clanwilliam barony.[32] There were a number of McGrath people in Cuonagh barony but none who could be identified with Teige McGrath.[33] In 1657 a person called Teige McGrath left his mark as a County Limerick witness to the sale of lands in Counties Kerry and Limerick by Duke Crofton of County Roscommon to Thomas Green of Canterbury in England.[34] No actual address was given for this Teige McGrath but as a witness to a land deed during the Cromwellian period it appears he didn’t have any major legal bar upon him.
Barnard Guppy
Barnard Guppy of Shanakill, yeoman, said he lost £202 between October 1641 and 1st December 1641. He lost £62 5s in the value of cows, heifers, bulls and one hog. He lost £6 worth of hay and £20 worth of corn from his haggard and house. Barnard Guppy was expelled from his farm at Shanakill and thus further lost £20 in the value of winter corn in the ground. When he made his deposition in August 1642 Barnard Guppy said that he still had 26 years yet to run on the lease of his farm on which he made £12 per year above the landlord’s rent. Barnard Guppy claimed £100 in losses by way of improvements he did to the farm in buildings and enclosures. He lost a further 40s in various husbandry implements. Barnard Guppy named Richard Condon and John Condon of Ballymacpatrick along with John and Richard Condon of Ballydorgan as the principle people who robbed him. It is not clear who removed Barnard Guppy from his farm or if he left because the area was unsafe for a British Protestant. He said that his neighbour, George Fabin of Shanakill, an Englishman, was murdered.[35] It is possible that Bernard Guppy and others who lost their farm didn’t lose them to the Irish rebels but because of assaults by the rebels were unable to pay their rent and thus lost their farms to their landlord rather than the farm taken over by the rebels. The documentary evidence is simply none existent to reach a conclusion. In March 1632 Sir Richard Boyle had lent £5 to Richard Fitz Edward Condon of Ballydorgan to help release Richard from the debtor’s prison in Dublin – how times change.[36]
On 25th May 1637 Sir Richard Boyle, then 1st Earl of Cork, was granted the release of the two ploughlands of Shanakill and Ballycullane (about 400 acres of statute measure), parcel of Mogeely manor, from Alexander Towse that the latter had inherited from his father Guy Towse. Sometime before 1602 Andrew Colthurst, agent for Sir Walter Raleigh, had granted to land to Guy Towse and Thomas Salisbury.[37] On 27th February 1588 Thomas Salisbury, gent, had received a grant of 400 acres of Shanakill and Balycullane. On 25th February 1589 Guy Towse, skinner from London, received a grant of the two ploughlands.[38]
A number of people with the surname of Guppy appear in various records of the 17th century. In 1649 Sergeant John Guppy was a member of the Youghal garrison, under Lieutenant William Smyth, who swore fidelity to the English Parliament following the surrender of the town.[39] In the 1650s William Guppy held land at Dogcloyne in St. Finbarr’s parish, south of Cork city.[40]
Edward Markam
In June 1642 Edward Markam of Lockbreake (Lackbrack) in the parish of Mogeely, shearman and British Protestant, submitted a claim for losses between October 1641 and 5th of February 1642 of £21 4s. These losses included £11 for cows and one mare; 14s of household goods; 30s of fruits in the garden to the value 40s. Edward Markam also was dispossessed of his farm at Lackbrack which still had nine years to run on the lease. This farm was worth £2 above the rent and was valued by Markam at £6. He did not know the names of the people who robbed him.[41]
Templevalley residents
Theodore Cumby
In June 1642 Theodore Cumby, a British Protestant husbandman from Templevalley, filed for losses of £209 10s relating to farms he held in Templevalley and Ballycullane in Mogeely parish along with land at Glanatore in Knockmourne parish. Initially losses were put at £246 but this was later reduced before the final claim was made to £209 10s. Theodore Cumby seems to have suffered most of his losses around 25th February 1642 at the hands of Art O’Keeffe, a husbandman from Kilphillibeen in Ballynoe parish and unnamed rebels who had come to Tallow.[42]
Among the details of Theodore’s losses included £20 on the value of young and old cattle that he lost. He lost corn in the house and the haggard which was worth 40s. As Theodore Cumby was also expelled and driven away from his farm in Templevalley he also lost £37 worth in the value of winter corn that he had planted. Theodore Cumby also lost £33 in household goods and provisions which included bedding and clothes. Outside the house Theodore lost husbandry implements worth 30s. Later in his claim for compensation Theodore Cumby said he lost two stacks of bees worth 20s but it is unclear on what farm these bees were kept.
One of these farms was an unexpired lease of eighteen years on a parcel of land in Glinballyconelan (Ballycullane) which was worth £16 per year above the landlord’s rent. This land must have been no small parcel as Theodore placed a value of £126 on the loss of improvements and buildings on the farm. Theodore Cumby was further dispossessed of his farm at Glenatore in Knockmourne parish upon which, as of June 1642, he had five and a half years yet to run on the lease. Theodore Cumby had made improvements and constructed buildings on the farm to the value of £27 10s which were also lost. This farm was worth £11 per year above the landlord’s rent.[43]
John Russell
John Russell of GlanBalliconlane (Ballycullane), husbandman, said he lost £34 between October 1641 and 25th February 1642 by various unnamed persons from the barony of Imokilly. Of this amount £18 was attributed to lost household goods while £16 worth of animals was lost, comprising of horses along with old and young cattle.[44] A husbandman was in medieval and early modern times seen as a free tenant, or small farmer, below the rank of a yeoman. In his deposition in June 1642 John Russell said that he heard that three people from Tallowbridge, namely; John Foster, John Orten and Walter Shoulder were killed by the rebels. John Russell went on to say that he saw John Foster stripped naked and killed by the rebels at Tallowbridge.[45] In 1611 John Foster was a gentleman in the horse company of the plantation militia of tenants belonging to Sir Richard Boyle. In 1611 Walter Shoulder was a drummer in the foot company of the plantation militia and John Orten was a pikeman in the plantation militia.[46] This would place all three man in their mid fifties to mid sixties in 1641/2 were they were allegedly killed by rebels at Tallowbridge.
In 1611 Edward Russell was a lieutenant in the foot company of Sir Richard Boyle’s plantation militia. A pikeman in the foot company was William Russell. Three other people, Edmond Russell, Michael Russell and William Russell, were riflemen in the foot company.[47] It is not certain if John Russell of 1641 was of the same family as any of these earlier people. Under the organisation of Boyle’s Irish estates then tenants of Youghal, the manors of Inchiquin, Kinnatalloon and Coole along with the lands of Kilmacow and Boyle’s possessions in Cork city were to furnish 58 foot soldiers and 37 horses for the estate militia.[48]
John Williams
In early March 1642 John Williams of Balleren (Ballyerrin) lost £87 of which chattels amounted to £42 along with 20s in household goods when Captain Fennell and his company came to Tallow. John Williams was further expelled from his farm at Ballerrin where he still had three lives of a lease yet to run. This farm made £4 per year above the landlord’s rent. He lost £24 by such expulsion. John Williams was also expelled from another holding near Balleren (Ballyerrin) to the loss of £20 on which he had seven years yet to run on the lease and was valued by him as making £6 per year above the rent.[49]
John Rowe
In August 1642 John Rowe, a yeoman from Templevalley, said he was robbed in early March 1642 of £29 6s (changed in the file to £30) of which household goods amounted to 14s and £29 6s in cows, one heifer and some pigs. John Rowe said some of his cattle were driven away by Anthony Scriuener, an English Protestant living in Mogeely/Templevalley parish.[50] John Rowe didn’t consider this one act of unrest as sufficient to leave Templevalley or to seek refuge in the castles of Kilmacow and Mogeely as some locals appeared to have done. Considering what happened in August 1642 John Rowe may have done good to move to these castles.
In December 1642 John Rowe of Templevalley made another deposition in which he claimed losses of £51 8s. This amount was composed of £36 8s for cows, heifers and pigs; £10 in household goods and £5 in hay. These losses appear to be a re-evaluation of the early losses rather than new losses. In this second deposition Mary, his wife, said that in August 1642 two men called Morris MacShane and John Oge came and attacked Rowe’s house breaking windows and doors. The two stole household goods of no declared value. Before leaving the two stripped Mary and her three children, Mary, Ann and John junior.[51] The text says stripped but rape would not be too far from having the same meaning. Up until recent times a successful prosecution in court for rape was not easily done. Instead women sought redress by claiming loss of goods taken at the time of the rape.[52] The increase in the value of losses suffered in March may therefore be to seek compensation for the rape of Mary and her children. Like other people who filed depositions in 1642, the Rowe family were residents in the area for at least three or four decades. In 1611 John Roe was a pikeman in the plantation militia of Sir Richard Boyle.[53]
Simon Randall
In June 1642 Simon Randall of Gortnawherre (Gortnafira) in the parish of Mogeely, husbandman and British Protestant, submitted losses of goods and chattels to the value of £18 10s between October 1641 and 25th February 1642. He lost £14 on the value of cattle, young and old along with one mare. He lost a further £3 on the value of corn stored in his house and 30s on household goods. Simon Randall accused Mary Fitzgerald of GlunballicolliLane (Ballycullane), a widow, and her tenants, the names of whom he didn’t know, as the principle robbers of his property.[54] In 1611 Henry Randall was a pikeman in the plantation militia of Sir Richard Boyle.[55]
In October 1630 Sir Richard Boyle instructed the several tenants of Glanballyconnelan that they should pay their rents on that ploughland to Thomas Fitzgerald until further notice. Boyle also told his tenants that he would give two months warning to pay the rent to Boyle if circumstances changed.[56] It would appear that Mary Fitzgerald was the widow of Thomas Fitzgerald and that in her view the charter of 1630 had not changed and she was thus due the rents from Ballycullane. The Thomas Fitzgerald referred to was possibly the same Thomas Fitzgerald whose family once held Kilmacow, in the east of Mogeely parish. By March 1633 Thomas Fitzgerald had lost Kilmacow and Christopher Bluett of Youghal paid Sir Richard Boyle rent for same. Boyle clear Bluett of £12 rent arrears on Kilmacow as Bluett was owed a debt from Fitzgerald that was considered beyond recovery.[57]
Receiving compensation for claims
The 1641 depositions were partially use to record losses suffered by Protestants and put a monetary value on them for compensation. The other reason for the depositions was to identify people who had rebelled or committed acts against English settlers and so identify those for punishment. But the war and civil unrest did not cease in 1642. Instead the war continued until 1653 when the English government finally gained control over the whole country. After more than ten years of war the government was short on cash to arrange compensation and so seized land belonging to the rebels for redistribution to government supporters, financiers, and as compensation for those who had suffered losses. Of the nine people who filed depositions for losses in the parish of Mogeely/Templevalley, only one, Walter Croker, seems to have got compensation.
Walter Croker received the property of RoovesMore and Roovesbeg in the parish of Aglish in the barony of Muskerry in mid County Cork. In 1641 this property contained one ploughland and eight gneeves and was held by Teige McCormuck McCarthy with a total value of £60. The land then had a grist mill (£4 value) and a decayed tucking mill (£2 value). There was 400 arable acres of which 180 acres was profitable along with 511 acres of pasture of which 120 acres was profitable. There was 60 acres of forestry fit for shipbuilding, 30 acres of shrubby wood and 10 acres of red bog. The property was held of the manor of Kilcrea from Lord Muskerry by a chief rent of £16 8s.[58] As Walter Croker recovered his farm at Curraglass, and this remained with his descendants until 1911 when it was inherited by a cousin in New Zealand, the compensation of RoovesMore was possibly for Croker not recovering the farm at Modeligo which had a different history in the 18th and 19th centuries.
In the 23rd year Charles II Walter Croker along with Sir Boyle Maynard of Curraglass and Col. Randal Clayton got a grant of land in the barony of Ardagh in County Longford around Killogen.[59]
Conclusion
The 1641 depositions give us an insight into life in the untied parish of Mogeely/Templevalley in the early 1640s. We observe large farmers with two and three farms (Walter Croker of Curraglass and Theodore Cumby of Templevalley) inter mixed with small farmers, all claiming to be British Protestants. These deponents were mostly engaged in mixed farming of livestock and tillage. No person engaged in a trade filed a deposition for losses from Mogeely parish. The farmers including Walter Croker, gentleman, held their land by lease of years and lives from unknown persons. It is presumed that the Earl of Cork was the landlord of most of the farmers but the deponents could have leased their land from intermediate landlords. The tenant farmers expended their own money on improvements to their rented farms as in the case of Bernard Guppy and Theodore Cumby. Edward Markham had fruits trees on his farm at Lackbrack while Theodore Cumby kept bees. We are told of a number of people who owed money to the deponents but it is not recorded who the deponents were debtors of. Most of the losses occurred between February and April 1642 with the Condon family of Ballymacpatrick and its associated families among known rebels. Other people like Art O’Keeffe and Mrs. Fitzgerald seemed to attack the New English settlers to recover debts or rent due and don’t appear to be active rebels. The unrest and breakdown of government control seemed to have encouraged some deponents not to pay their debts which forced a reaction by their Irish creditors.
Some Protestant creditors were also forced into exposing themselves to punishment for causing unrest like Anthony Scriuener taking cattle from John Rowe of Templevalley, presumingly by way of recovering a debt. Some Protestant settlers in the wider River Bride valley seemed to have taken advantage of the absence of government forces to attack Irish tenants and workers, to acquire the possessions of the Irish or provoke a reaction the could be punished by the government.
There is also the question of absence as it is difficult to see the nine deponents as the only British Protestant settlers in the Mogeely/Templevalley parish. The Pyne family of Mogeely castle didn’t file a claim for losses as didn’t Boyle Maynard of Curraglass. Elizabeth Danvers, sister of Nicholas Pine of Mogeely castle, did file a claim for losses on a farm she had with her husband Thomas Danvers in the parish of Ballybrassell in Kilkenny (leased from Richard Strange of Dunkitt) to the value of £700. At Mogeely Elizabeth Danvers held a farm worth £20 by jointure with her late husband William Towse which she included in her losses.[60] In March 1643 Nicholas Pine was imprisoned at Youghal on charges of attacking and robbing his neighbours at Mogeely and favouring the Irish over the English.[61] Samuel Maynard of Curraglass was killed in battle on 3rd July 1642 at Bewley near Cappoquin when Lord Broghills horse and troop company fought an Irish force led by John Fitzgerald of Kilminnin, Co. Waterford.[62] Samuel Maynard could have suffered losses on his Curraglass farm but his death in July 1642 prevented him lodging a deposition. Yet none of his family made a deposition which may suggest that they suffered no losses apart from the death of Samuel.
At the end of any article or book it is nice to be able to round up all the evidence and come to a clear conclusion, yet there is no clear conclusion. The 1641 depositions were traditionally seen as a record of attacks by Catholic Irish rebels on British Protestants settlers. Yet the nine depositions from Mogeely/Templevalley parish show a mixed situation with unrest committed by both sides. The 1641 rebellion is seen by some as a civil war and in a civil war there are no clear lines of blame or innocence. The united parish of Mogeely/Templevalley was a mixed community of English Protestant settlers, of one or two generations, and Irish native families. They interacted with each other, working on their farms and trading in crops and livestock. They were economically bounded up together but these bounds were not strong enough in the nationalist and religious war of the 1640s. Some like Walter Croker returned to live in Mogeely parish after the war but most of the deponents seemed to have disappeared from the records. Of course the records themselves are few for the second half of the 17th century compared to the vast amount for the first half of the century. The Irish families of Fitzgerald and O’Keeffe appeared to have lived on after the war, possibly reduced in circumstances, yet still part of the mixed community with its mixed history. Thus we conclude with a mixture of conclusions.
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[1] Grosart, Rev. Alexander (ed.), The Lismore Papers (second series): Selections from the Private and Public (or state) correspondence of Sir Richard Boyle, First and ‘Great’ Earl of Cork (5 vols. London, 1888), vol. 4, p. 178
[2] Canny, Nicholas, ‘The 1641 Depositions as a source for the writing of social history: County Cork as a case study’, in Patrick O’Flanagan & Cornelius G. Buttimer (eds.), Cork History and Society : Interdisciplinary Essays on the History of an Irish County (Dublin, 1993), pp. 249-308, at p. 301
[3] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 824.80
[4] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (second series), vol. 4, pp. 224, 225
[5] Hayman, Rev. Samuel, The hand-book for Youghal (Youghal, 1896, reprint Youghal, 1973), p. 32
[6] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (second series), vol. 4, pp. 244, 245
[7] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (second series), vol. 4, p. 249
[8] Hayman, The hand-book for Youghal, p. 34
[9] Gillman, Herbert Webb, ‘The Rise and Progress in Munster of the Rebellion, 1642’, in the Journal of the Cork Historical and Archaeological Society, Volume II (Second Series), 1896, pp. 63-79, at p. 70
[10] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (second series), vol. 5, pp. 16, 17
[11] Hayman, The hand-book for Youghal, p. 34
[12] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 820, fol. 316v, made a Cork 14th August 1645
[13] Caulfield, Richard (ed.), The council book of the corporation of Youghal (Guildford, 1878), p. lii
[14] Caulfield (ed.), The council book of the corporation of Youghal, p. 553
[15] Caulfield (ed.), The council book of the corporation of Youghal, p. liii
[16] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 823.6
[17] Hayman, The hand-book for Youghal, p. 18
[18] National Library of Ireland, Lismore Castle Papers, MS 43,142/2 and MS 43,142/3; Ball, Stephen (ed.), Collection List No. 129: The Lismore Castle Papers (Dublin, 2007), p. 93
[19] Lisnabrin House Archives, Document One, Lease between Richard Boyle, Earl of Cork, and Walter Coppinger and trustees, 1st March 1633
[20] National Library of Ireland, Lismore Castle Papers, MS 43,142/4
[21] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 823.6
[22] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 823.6
[23] O’Sullivan, Melanie & Kevin McCarthy, Cappoquin: A Walk Through History (Cappoquin, 2000), p. 77
[24] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 822.156
[25] Pender, Séamus (ed.), A census of Ireland circa 1659 with essential materials from the Poll Money Ordinances 1660-1661 (Dublin, 2002), p. 235
[26] Griffith’s Valuation, Kilbarry, Castlelyons parish, Condons and Clangibbon barony, Co. Cork
[27] Casey, Albert Eugene & Thomas O’Dowling (eds.), OKief, Coshe Many, Slieve Loughter and Upper Blackwater (15 vols. Wisconsin, 1964), vol. 11, p. 933; Pender (ed.), A census of Ireland circa 1659, p. 235
[28] Tallon, Geraldine (ed.), Court of Claims: Submissions and Evidence 1663 (Dublin, 2006), no. 882
[29] Grosart, Rev. Alexander (ed.), The Lismore Papers (first series): Autobiographical Notes, Remembrances and Diaries of Sir Richard Boyle (5 vols. London, 1886), vol. 3, p. 55
[30] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (first series), vol. 3, p. 62. In November 1630 there was still 21 years unexpired on the Raleigh lease on Kilbarry.
[31] Simington, Robert C. (ed.), The Civil Survey A.D. 1654-1656 County of Limerick Vol. IV with a section of Clanmaurice Barony, Co. Kerry (Dublin, 1938), p. 63
[32] Pender (ed.), A census of Ireland circa 1659, p. 275
[33] Simington (ed.), The Civil Survey A.D. 1654-1656 County of Limerick Vol. IV, pp. 26, 29, 55
[34] Ainsworth, John (ed.), The Inchiquin Manuscripts (Dublin, 1961), no. 1086
[35] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 823.7
[36] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (first series), vol. 3, p. 130
[37] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (first series), vol. 5, pp. 8, 9
[38] Hayman, The hand-book for Youghal, pp. 17, 18
[39] Caulfield (ed.), The council book of the corporation of Youghal, p. 560
[40] Tallon (ed.), Court of Claims: Submissions and Evidence 1663, no. 625
[41] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 823.136
[42] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 825.114
[43] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 825.114
[44] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 823.9
[45] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 823.9
[46] Brewer, J.S. & William Bullen (eds.), Calendar of the Carew Manuscripts preserved in the Archiepiscopal library at Lambeth (6 vols. London, 1873, reprint Liechtenstein, 1974), vol. 6 (1603-1624), pp. 89, 90
[47] Brewer & Bullen (eds.), Calendar of the Carew Manuscripts, vol. 6 (1603-1624), pp. 89, 91
[48] Day, Robert, ‘Historical Notes of the County and City of Cork’, in the Journal of the Cork Historical and Archaeological Society, Volume 1 (1892), pp. 1-324, at p. 32
[49] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 823.77
[50] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 823.84
[51] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 824.155
[52] Kimball, Elizabeth G. (ed.), Roll of the Gloucestershire Sessions of the Peace, 1361-1398 (Kendall, 1942), p. 46
[53] Brewer & Bullen (eds.), Calendar of the Carew Manuscripts, vol. 6 (1603-1624), p. 89
[54] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 825.288
[55] Brewer & Bullen (eds.), Calendar of the Carew Manuscripts, vol. 6 (1603-1624), p. 90
[56] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (first series), vol. 3, pp. 55, 56
[57] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (first series), vol. 3, p. 183
[58] Simington, Robert C. (ed.), The Civil Survey A.D. 1654-1656 County of Waterford Vol. VI with appendices: Muskerry Barony, Co. Cork: Kilkenny City and Liberties (part), also valuations, circa 1663-64 for Waterford and Cork Cities (Dublin, 1942), p. 307
[59] National Archives of Ireland, Lodge MSS, 13, fol. 160
[60] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 820, fol. 316v, made a Cork 14th August 1645
[61] Grosart (ed.), The Lismore Papers (first series), vol. 5, p. 222
[62] Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 820, fol. 54v, made 15th August 1642 by Hugh Croker of Cappoquin; also Trinity College Dublin, 1641 Depositions, 820, fol. 135r, made at Waterford, 11th August 1642, by William Ledshaw